I was raised in a predominantly Catholic household. My dad had no opinion either way, and my mom preached it, but never lived it. However, outside of my immediate family, nearly all of my relatives are very strong believers in the Catholic religion. Hell, half my relatives are named Theresa (including my mom), or other Catholic names.
Growing up I was herded along with the rest of my relatives, down the path of a “wholesome” Catholic life. I didn’t know any better, most kids don’t, that’s part of the problem. I’ve always been different though. I like to ask questions. I analyze every detail, about everything. Where the normal person says, “Sounds good to me, I’ll buy into it”, I ask “Why?”
Why should I believe that? Why should I trust you? Who wrote it? Who can vouch for it? Can you prove it? I’ve always wanted answers, whether it’s religion , 70’s music trivia, or stupid e-mail chain letters about Bill Gates giving millions of dollars to the first 10 to reply – I want answers.
Apparently just asking questions is a problem in society.
Initial Research
Around 14 years old I started asking real questions about all this “stuff” I was being taught and told to believe. What I started realizing is Christians live in fear. They were not doing “good” out of simple moral conduct, they were doing “good” in fear of what some omnipresent guy may do to them otherwise. This was the first red flag.
This big imaginary figure watching everyone in the world at the same time, who can strike you down, and cast you into an eternal grave in the center of the earth to burn and rot away with all the other low-life’s. But he loves you! Just don’t doubt him – or else!
Believe in him or you’re going to hell. But what about all the other religions? Christianity only accounts for 33% of all religious persons in the world. That means, according to the “by the Bible” Christians, 66% of the world is destined for hell – no matter what good they do in life. This is one of the main things I have always questioned. What if the Islamic, or Hindi, or Buddhist religions all say the same thing? Who’s to say one is wrong and one is right?
See, contrary to what most good faith Christians do, I actually researched. I questioned things. Suddenly, using these old things called books, and this new wave technology called the “internet”, all the questions I had could now be answered. I went through a few separate phases where I researched everything I possibly could. Where the roots of all major religions came from (note: looking outside the Christian religion), why we believe what we believe, why we celebrate the things we celebrate, and where all these traditions come from.
This involved reading The Bible, this involved reading everyone else’s versions of the Bible. I have done more research in the field of religion than most so-called “Christians” have or ever will do. I tried to find something to believe in. I figured there had to be something somewhere in there I could hold onto.
I found nothing of the sort, but what I did find is what I was searching for the whole time - the truth.
The problem with arguing religion, or politics for that matter, is everyone is so hard set in what they believe, they aren’t even open to debate. Nothing will change the mind of someone who doesn’t want to hear it, no matter how compelling the evidence.
In all of my time spent debating religion with Christians, not once, NOT ONCE has anyone asked what I believe. All I ever hear are “reasons” why I should believe. None of these “reasons” are of any substance either, just faith based information thrown out with nothing to back it.
Well, I’ve taken the time to compile some of the most compelling evidence I’ve found over the years. Just open your mind and listen to what I have to say.
History of Jesus Christ
First off, I hate to be the one to inform you, but the story of Jesus Christ was old news before Jesus was even around.
You see, first off there was a mythical “god” named Horus. According to ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, Horus can be dated back to 3000 BC. Horus claimed to be the guiding light, or the sign of salvation. He was also known as “Sun”, every night he would battle his rival (depicted as an evil creature in red garb) known as “Set”. The sun would rise and Horus would win, every night Set would battle the Sun (Horus) and Set would win, bringing the darkness (Even now we refer to it as the Sunset). Hence, Dark vs. Light, or Good vs. Evil was born.
Horus was born December 25th to the virgin Isis-Meri (pronounced Mary). His birth was accompanied by a star in the east which three kings followed to locate the new “savior”. By 12 he was a teacher of men, by 30 he was baptized and began his ministry.
Horus had 12 disciples he traveled with performing miracles, such as healing the sick and walking on water. Horus was known by many names such as The Truth, The Light, God’s Anointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, and many others. After being betrayed by Typhon, Horus was crucified, buried for 3 days, and you guessed it, resurrected.
Sound familiar? This basic story is used as template for religions worldwide, including Christianity.
Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected.
Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.
Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the “King of Kings,” “God’s Only Begotten Son,” “The Alpha and Omega,” and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected.
Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as “The Truth,” “The Light,” and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.
So Where Did It Come From?
The real question lies in this “template” religion. Clearly, in 3000 BC., civilization had a basis for this story. If you look a little deeper, you will find very logical, and proven answers to the basis of this story.
First of all, the birth sequence is completely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion’s Belt. These 3 bright stars are called today what they were called in ancient times: The Three Kings. The Three Kings and the brightest star, Sirius, all point to the place of the sunrise on December 25th. This is why the Three Kings “follow” the star in the east, in order to locate the sunrise – the birth of the sun.
There is another very interesting phenomenon that occurs around December 25th, or the winter solstice. From the summer solstice to the winter solstice, the days become shorter and colder. From the perspective of the northern hemisphere, the sun appears to move south and get smaller and more scarce. The shortening of the days and the dying of the crops when approaching the winter solstice symbolized the process of death to the ancients it was the death of the Sun. By December 22nd, the Sun’s demise was fully realized, for the Sun, having moved south continually for 6 months, makes it to it’s lowest point in the sky. Here a curious thing occurs, the Sun stops moving south, at least perceptibly, for 3 days. During this 3 day pause, the Sun resides in the vicinity of the Southern Cross, or Crux, constellation. And after this time on December 25th, the Sun moves 1 degree, this time north, foreshadowing longer days, warmth, and Spring. And thus it was said: the Sun died on the cross, was dead for 3 days, only to be resurrected or born again. This is why Jesus and numerous other Sun Gods share the crucifixion, 3-day death, and resurrection concept. It is the Sun’s transition period before it shifts its direction back into the Northern Hemisphere, bringing Spring, and thus salvation.
However, they did not celebrate the resurrection of the Sun until the spring equinox, or Easter. This is because at the spring equinox, the Sun officially overpowers the evil darkness, as daytime thereafter becomes longer in duration than night, and the revitalizing conditions of spring emerge.
The Virgin Mary is the constellation Virgo, also known as Virgo the Virgin. Virgo in Latin means virgin. The ancient glyph for Virgo is the altered “m”. This is why Mary along with other virgin mothers, such as Adonis’s mother Myrrha , or Buddha’s mother Maya begin with an M. Virgo is also referred to as the House of Bread, and the representation of Virgo is a virgin holding wheat. This House of Bread and its symbol of wheat represents August and September, the time of harvest. In turn, Bethlehem, in fact, literally translates to “house of bread”. Bethlehem is a reference to the constellation Virgo, a place in the sky, not on Earth.
Now, probably the most obvious of all the astrological symbolism around Jesus regards the 12 disciples. They are simply the 12 constellations of the Zodiac, which Jesus, being the Sun, travels about with.
In fact, the number 12 is repeated throughout the Bible. This Bible has more to do with astrology than anything else. Funny how Astrology is considered the work of Satan among Christians.
Popular Arguments For Christianity
“The Bible is the historically accurate Word of God.”
First off, the Bible contradicts itself constantly. Both spiritually and historically. It’s also been changed quite a bit over time, by men in positions of power, and in secret.
Also consider the highly preposterous stories and religions that exist even today, all over the world, and remember that many millions believe in them. Millions still believe in voodoo, magic and astrology in an information age where it’s quite easy to refute this nonsense. Now imagine how easy it would have been to spread false information virally in a time where there was little structured education and very few could even read.
This environment explains, with very little effort, how stories of miracles and such could have spread so easily and been adopted as truth by so many. It also explains how the story of Jesus almost identically matches the stories of Horus and Mithras. They’re simply the same stories, with just as much allure to the uneducated masses, being re-propagated to a different population.
“Even if religion weren’t true it’s still good for my family to believe. It makes us feel good.”
Imagine that you have a neighbor who goes into his backyard to dig every weekend with his family. He’s been doing it for a while now and has like a 20 foot hole in the ground where the family members take turns shoveling
One day you ask him why he’s digging and he says, “Because there’s a 40 pound diamond down there.” You give him a bunch of reasons detailing why that’s highly unlikely, and point out that he looks silly for believing in something that’s not true. He responds with, “Maybe I don’t care if it’s true because it makes me and my family feel good.”
The general atheist position on this is that just because something makes you feel good, or has something positive associated with it, doesn’t make it a good idea to believe it. It feels good to believe in Santa Claus too, and many other childhood beliefs, but we eventually had to give them up as well.
Why give them up? Because believing in them as adults can cause real problems in the world. Belief leads to action, and belief in the non-real often leads to actions that don’t lend well to increasing happiness and reducing suffering.
“Hitler and Stalin were atheists. See how bad atheism is?”
First off, Hitler was not an atheist. Secondly, just because Stalin was doesn’t mean his atheism had anything to do with how evil he was. It would be foolish to argue that religion would have kept him from being evil when we have examples like the Crusades (and Hitler) to look at for people who commit evil while maintaining religious belief.
Also keep in mind that atheists are highly underrepresented in prison, and in divorce court.
The Bible
This book itself is enough to turn any strong willed Christian into a non-believer. You would be utterly disgusted to read what is in this book. You would also be amazed to find out that nearly all the Christians you will encounter have never read it, yet they all own a copy, sometimes multiple. How can you be a Christian, and not read the one book all of your beliefs are based on?
I fear that carrying a bible is as trendy as wearing your yellow Lance Armstrong bracelet. It has no real meaning anymore.
Since you probably won’t ever read The Bible, let me tell you what you will find.
- Genocide commended by God
- Lack of women’s rights
- Death penalty for petty crimes
- Slavery
- Forcing sexual acts on disapproving females (rape)
- Killing of Hebrew children – for being Hebrew
- Killing young children for transgressions of parents
- Horrific criminals are hailed as heroes instead of condemned
According to the book, God promised land to His chosen people from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates (Gen.15:18-21). Allegedly, when the Hebrews left Egypt, they found the land was occupied. The solution suggested by God to Moses was a military campaign of genocide.
The military campaign was not to conquer the various nations, but one of complete genocide – including babies, little children, women, the elderly and the men. How could anyone who ordered such a command also be the mouth from whom we learn of the greatest mystery of humanity? The following are a few examples.
“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and were the means of turning the Israelite’s away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”
So kill everyone, young, old, male, female – keep the virgins for yourself. Check.
“The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.”
Some 32,000 little girls were distributed among the tribes. The horrific scene of lining up thousands of young girls to undergo an exam for virginity is disgusting. If the young girl did not pass the test, she was immediately killed. There is only one logical reason that the virgin little girls were spared. They were destined to be forced into sexual relationships. They have just witnessed the slaughter of their parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters. Now, they will begin a process of humiliation and rape. I’m sure they would have preferred death.
“(Exodus 21:20) And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.”
In other words, the slave is your property. It is permissible to beat the slave to within an inch of his or her life as long as he or she is able to recover within two days from the beating.
To add insult to injury, if a male slave married while he was a slave, when it came time for his slavery to end, Moses instructs the Hebrews not to release the wife and family.
“(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.”
Frankly, I don’t know why black people embrace Christianity. Why they would embrace a religion with a holy book that supports slavery is beyond me. I guess it is for the same reasons that a thinking person can embrace the Bible. You just have to be willing to pick and choose and ignore large portions and invent elaborate justifications.
All of these acts (genocide, kidnapping, slavery, and taking possessions as spoils of war) are dramatically condemned in our current morality. Nearly all Western thinkers would find this morality primitive and barbaric. If you say, “it was just different back then”, you have made my point. The Bible has no place as a code of morality for today. If any book in the library needs a warning label on it, it is the Bible.
These are not isolated examples. Dozens of cities and nations of people are wiped out to make room for occupation.
The complete genocide of the people of Sihon
“Deuteronomy 2:32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, the LORD our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them— men, women and children. We left no survivors.”
The complete genocide of the people of Og
“Deuteronomy 3:3-6 So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors…. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city— men, women and children.”
The complete genocide of the people of Jericho
“Joshua 6:21 They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it— men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.”
The complete genocide of the people of Ai
“Joshua 8: 1 Then the LORD said to Joshua… For I have delivered into your hands the king of Ai, his people, his city and his land…. Israel cut them down, leaving them neither survivors nor fugitives…. Israelites returned to Ai and killed those who were in it. Twelve thousand men and women fell that day—all the people of Ai.”
If these stories are to be believed, multiple cities are minding their own business, when God has Joshua march in and start killing everyone- even the women and children! What was the reason genocide was justified? The impression we are given is not even one of self defense. The impression we get is that they deserved to die because they were a different religion from the people to whom the land was promised.
Given this information, I fail to understand how people can preach Christianity as the “holy word”. How can you ignore what you’re claiming to represent? Maybe this is because “Christians” don’t actually read the Bible.
Bible Inconsistencies and Contradictions
Within the workings of The Bible and other related pieces of literature, God’s work is often contradicted.
GE 1:3-5: On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19: The sun (which separates night and day) wasn’t created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27: Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9: Man was created before trees were created.
GE 1:20-21, 26-27: Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19: Man was created before birds were created.
GE 1:24-27: Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
GE 1:26-27: Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22: Man was created first, woman sometime later.
GE 1:28: God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8: God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
GE 1:31: God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6: God was not pleased with his creation.
GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25: God was already known as “the Lord” (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3: God was first known as “the Lord” (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.
GE 2:17: Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5: Adam lived 930 years.
GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6: It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14: It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.
GE 4:4-5: God prefers Abel’s offering and has no regard for Cain’s.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11: God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
GE 4:9: God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13: God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.
GE 4:16: Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24: A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.
GE 6:4: There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21: All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33: There were Nephilim after the Flood.
GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16: God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17: God does not change his mind.
GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16: Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah’s Ark.
GE 7:2-5: Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken (and are taken) aboard the Ark.
GE 7:1: Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3: Job was righteous.
LK 1:6: Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16: Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9: Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10: No one was or is righteous.
The list is endless….
Questions To God
One of my biggest concerns with religion, all religion, is the insurmountable evidence disproving them, and little to nothing beyond faith as supporting evidence. I find it really hard to believe in something, anything, just because someone or something has told me too. Look at it this way…
Imagine a husband is told by someone his wife is cheating on him. The husband would say, “Wheres the proof? Show me the video.” Now a wife cheating on a husband is extremely common, yet he won’t take someone at their word. Now if that same man hands him a Bible and tells him every word written inside of it is the truth, and to use it as his basis for morality. There’s a much higher chance that that man will take that Bible and do just that.
Why is this? Is it one of those “Everyone else is doing it so I will too” sort of things? Maybe I’m weird, maybe I need to stop thinking and just be a brainless soul doing whatever I’m told. Maybe life would be easier if I stopped questioning everything.
Well, here are some questions for you God. I’ll be waiting a response. You pick the place and time, I’ll make sure to clear my schedule for that day.
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Why do you let your followers murder and rape us? Why do you let your Catholic priests sodomize our precious children? I think it’s safe to say that we really don’t like this. Isn’t your Catholic hierarchy hand chosen by you from the top down? Are you afraid to admit to making a mistake in your choices? Can you please admit the mistake and let our children grow up in a normal, ethical and safe environment?
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Did you really make Eve from one of Adam’s ribs? Why didn’t you make her from dust just like Adam? And, why do men and women have the same number of ribs if you stole one from Adam to make Eve?
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Why do you make your followers suffer so much? Why do they die at the hands of other religions? Can’t you put a stop to this? You’re omnipotent, right? Can you ’show us your stuff’? Why do you let all those Church buses crash? Why do you let all your religious followers die in plane crashes, terrorist attacks, car accidents, famines, floods, hurricanes, tornado’s, etc.? Is this part of ‘Your Plan’? If you needed more Angels or something, why didn’t you just create more Angels? Why do you cause so much pain down here?
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Was physics different when Noah built the ark? I mean, seriously… how did he get all the animals from all over the world… and the dinosaurs, etc. on that boat? How did he get penguins to the Middle East? How did he get them back after the big flood? Why didn’t the dinosaurs eat all the sheep? I know from reading that you are jealous and envious and want nothing more than for all of us to believe in you… wouldn’t you like to let us in on your secret? Come on, how did he do it?
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Why is there war? How does it agree with “Thou Shalt Not Kill”? Why are there so many wars in Your Name?
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If you made Adam & Eve first, and they had three sons Cain, Abel & Seth, what happened next? There’s 4 men and 1 woman, right? What happened next to propagate the species? Who did the children marry? Who did they reproduce with? Isn’t incest bad?
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The Ten Commandments: “Thou shalt not kill.” Didn’t you order Moses to do a lot of killing? Why did you do this if it violates one of ‘your’ commandments? Why did he wipe out entire cities, kill all the men and rape the women and children?
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I’ve heard a lot of ‘theories’ on the whole fossil thing and evolution. Did you just put all this evidence here to confuse us? If so, why?
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If you created the earth and mankind, why are you letting us wipe out your creations? Is it that ‘free-will’ thing? We’re killing this planet. Why don’t you save it? Why don’t you save us from ourselves? I mean, we’re just doing what you made us capable of doing, right?
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Should we stop modern medicine? Are we violating your will as so many seem to think? Is it bad to fix health problems ourselves for things that you didn’t seem to consider?
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Did people just make up heaven as a place to go when you die because they were too afraid to tell the children that when you die… that’s it? End of story… game over?
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Why do you want to destroy everyone that doesn’t believe in you? Why make them burn in hell for eternity? Couldn’t you have been a little kinder and just given all these people the capability to believe in you? Don’t you take any pride of ownership in what you created?
Famous Atheist and Agnostic Quotes
“All thinking men are atheists.” – Ernest Hemingway
“Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America’s population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” – Barack Obama
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.” – John Adams, US President
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.” – Napoleon Bonaparte
“I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.” – Frank Lloyd Wright
“If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be – a Christian.” – Samuel Clemens, Pen name – Mark twain
“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.” – Thomas Jefferson
“Religion is all bunk.” – Thomas Edison
“It appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against Christianity and theism produce hardly any effect on the public; and freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men’s minds which follows from the advance of science.” – Charles Darwin
“Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.” – Ben Franklin
“The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.” – Abraham Lincoln
“There is so much in the bible against which every insinct of my being rebels, so much so that I regret the necessity which has compelled me to read it through from beginning to end. I do not think that the knowledge I have gained of its history and sources compensates me for the unpleasant details it has forced upon my attention.” – Helen Keller
“If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.” – Albert Einstein
“I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” – Albert Einstein
“You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough.” - Aldous Huxley, author of “Roots”
“I don’t believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.” – Andrew Carnegie
“It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.” – Arthur C. Clarke
“Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.” – Isaac Asimov
“I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure. ” – Clarence Darrow
“I believe that relgion is the belief in future life and in God. I don’t believe in either. I don’t believe in God as I don’t believe in Mother Goose.” - Clarence Darrow
“We have just enough religion to make us hate but not enough religion to make us love one another.” – Jonathan Swift
Conclusion
A common misconception, one that I should have addressed earlier in this post, is that I hate religions and hate religious people. I don’t. I have good friends and family members who are religious. I’ve lived half of my life in this cloud of misinformation and misdirection and I feel I have the right to live the remainder of my life however I feel.
You have to understand where I am coming from. I have literally been told to my face that I’m going to Hell when I die, no questions asked, straight to hell, simply because I don’t believe in Jesus Christ.
I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t do drugs, I’ve never been to jail, yet I’m going to hell if I don’t believe in some mythical creation. But people who rape children, murder men and women, peddle drugs, and go to prison, will still go to heaven instead of me? All they need to do is repent their sin’s before they actually die? That sounds like a cop-out to me, and simply a recruiting mechanism.
It’s okay to be Atheist, or Agnostic, or whatever you want to be. You can choose to believe, or choose not to believe whatever you want. Look at the names in the “Famous Quotes” section above, tell me those names were all crazy and don’t know what they’re talking about. I for one would love to be in the company of those men and women.
Take your heaven, I don’t want it. I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster anyway…
Extra Credit
Bill Maher Explains the Debate: Evolution vs. Creationism
The Simpson’s theory of Evolution
Internet Speak version of the Bible
Evil Bible: Fighting Against Immorality In The Bible
Skeptic Michael Shermer on believing weird things
I am able, and willing to cite every single source used for this blog so you too can find the inconsistincies in the Christian faith.
Tags: Agnostic, Evolution, Life, Religion


September 2nd, 2008 at 3:13 am
You seem to lump nearly all Christians together unfairly. I know many people who would consider themselves Christians who are very educated on the subject. While I do agree with you that there are a LOT of ignorant (sometimes to the point of being dangerous) people who claim to be Christian (and any other religion you can think of, as well) I think you are discounting a large population of people who are very intelligent and know a lot about the subject but have not said it wasn’t real.
I can even go along with you as far as saying the Church and the Bible are for the most part full of shit. I have my own personal beliefs that do not correspond with any church or organized religion. Not even close. I believe in God but I can’t imagine a God that would turn away good people because they believed something different. That is outrageous. I don’t care what anyone believes they do not have the right to force it down anyone else’s throat.
Jesus is regarded by most historians as a real person. It is not whether he was real or not that is debated for the most part. It is whether or not the idea we have of his life are accurate and whether or not he was divine. Most historians (and ALL of the Christians I know who are educated in the matter) agree that Jesus was NOT born on December 25th. From what I have gathered the Catholic church changed the day they celebrate Jesus’s birth to December 25th basically to override another non-christian holiday.
“I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure. ” – Clarence Darrow. I like this quote. But I would say that being sure can be wrong whether you are positive God is real or you are positive God isn’t. I wouldn’t say I am agnostic but I don’t claim to know the truth either. I have my beliefs but I question them myself. I think it is healthier to accept that what you believe may not be right. I don’t say that anyone else is wrong either.
So, basically, I am not saying you are wrong but I don’t agree with everything you say either. I have my own issues with organized religion and they weren’t necessarily covered here. Too bad more people can’t disagree and debate the subject without taking offense and being close minded.
By the way, some of those people you quoted are not atheists. I think I prove that you can disagree with the Bible and organized religion without being an atheist. Obviously, some of those people ARE atheists as well haha.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:12 am
Yeah, I did lump the Christians together to prove a point about religion. If it’s to be taken at its word, this is how absurd it is. There are logical thinkers around who believe in the religion, who are also aware that the story and history behind the beliefs is a carbon copy of astrological gods before him. Its the blind faith and ignorance to reality that bothers me.
I chose not to separate them simply because Atheist and Agnostic are never separate, they are viewed as one when they each have very defining characteristics.
I am technically Agnostic, not Atheist. However, if I say I’m Agnostic, everyone responds with “How do you know no god exists?”, so I stopped differentiating.
Atheists deny all possibilities of a higher power, be it god or simply spiritually.
Agnostics do not deny the possibility, they just have not been given the evidence to believe in it. They’re not opposed to believing in the future, just not at this point in time. Even Clarence Darrow doesn’t seem to know the difference.
I am also like you in the fact that I have my own beliefs, far from the Church and Bible, but unless I out right say I am Christian, I’m evil in the eyes of many people (including certain family members as I’ve been told).
I agree with you on the debating religion thing. Like I said in the blog itself, no one wants to hear that they’re wrong. They surround themselves with people who tell them what they want to hear so nothing ever gets done. I’ve tried to debate it with friends and family but it goes no where. Being Agnostic/Atheist and being the minority of the subject immediately makes it sound like I’m arguing that Big Foot exists and I’m laughed off and considered foolish.
It would be easy to live in a world where everyone tells you how perfect you are, but its not reality. There will always be opposing views to everything, I’m open to everything, as evidenced by me actually doing the research I have.
I actually had a relatively large section about the positives to religion and where it can fit in in our society. But I felt the blog was getting beyond the length anyone would read (it probably still is) so I cut out a few sections.
And yeah, I realize some of those quotes aren’t from pronounced Atheists/Agnostics. I was about to tell you I captioned it “Famous Atheist Quotes”, but looking back I see I did imply they were also quotes by atheists. But you also know the reason a lot of those people were not running around saying they were Atheist or Agnostic is because they needed religion to get somewhere (politicians).
I wish everyone could be as open minded about this as you seem to be. It’s unfortunate some people are so close minded that they can’t accept other peoples beliefs. I’ve tried the religion thing, its just not for me.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
But apparently this guy has proof that there is a god!! And uses science to prove it!!
hahaha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEXGKzH0F9c
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 am
I didn’t realize people had trouble differentiating between Atheist and Agnostic. I guess it doesn’t really surprise me either though. I did notice that Clarence Darrow’s quotes kind of contradicted each other in that respect haha.
I think it is ridiculous that people can’t seem to stay open minded and discuss this issue. You can’t make any progress if you can’t listen to other people’s ideas. Oh well. Can’t change the way people are.
Personally, my biggest problem with just about every organized religion I know much about is that they have you tell you have to live your life. I don’t give a crap what the church’s opinion is on gay marriage or abortion. Even when I agree with the Church I still say they have no place to tell us what to think or how to act. If I could find a church that focused only on God and didn’t spend the majority of the time telling me how to live my life I would probably be all for it. Maybe we should just hope people will do the right thing out of their own free will without the threat of sin hanging over them. If you do the right thing only because you are afraid of going to hell does it still count as doing the right thing?
Ryan, that video was awful haha. That guy clearly thinks he is a LOT smarter than he actually is. That was some of the most flawed logic I have ever heard.